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About Modesty In Dress And Swimming In Clothes....

If you are concerned about modesty in dress while swimming in public establishments I have listed below a couple of ways that have been proven to work in gaining permission from every establishment I have tried.  The only exception to this is water parks where some rides they will restrict what is worn for safety reasons.  In that case I would respect there wishes and not go on the ride.  You do not have to compromise your standards and take your clothes off just to go on a ride.  You can have just as much fun on the other rides.  Please read bellow for info on what I use to gain permission to swim clothed in public establishments.  

Tell them that you have Christian convictions that require you to keep your body covered in public establishments and then ask them if it would be ok to swim in a CLEAN pair of pants and shirt.  Make sure you specify clean!  After you find that this works (and it does) let them know also that other hotels, for example, have not had a problem with it.  I have also talked to the YMCA in my area and they said it would be fine.  I have not had the time to join so donít know for sure if they would let me swim in a thick material like jeans.  I find that thin materials are a bit to revealing and donít leave much to the imagination.  Also be aware that light colored clothing can become see through so be sure to try your clothes out in the shower before swimming in them.  This may seam extreme but it is worth saving you from any embarrassment.
If a problem arises from #1 bring up the point about them discriminating against your religious beliefs.  I have never had to use this form of action.  I live in the USA and in this country businesses listen to your religious beliefs.  I donít think I will ever have to bring up this point to them but it should help them to reconsider. 

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MY WET STORY!

By: Swimclothed
I do not remember when I first knew I liked getting
wet in clothes; I just seamed to like it from birth I
guess.  I remember intentually falling into puddles
and pouring water on myself at a very early age (my
parents thought I was loosing control of the
urination).  I didn‚t know how to swim and was afraid
of deep water and my parents never took the time or
the patience to teach me how to swim.  Don‚t get me
wrong my parents did ok at raising me but they just
didn‚t understand the importance of learning how to
swim.  I later on in my life when I was 25 took
swimming lessons at the YMCA and got over most of my
fear.  I then took scuba lessons a couple of months
later and am now proud to be a sport scuba diver.
This has helped me tremendously in overcoming my fear
of water and hope to be able to become a certified
lifeguard in the future. 

At a young age of 10-12 my parents sent me to a
Christian summer camp.  It was a lot of fun and was
the first time in a pool fully clothed.  I tried to
take swimming lessons there but had no luck there
because the instructor was to busy teaching other kids
who already knew how to swim and just wanted to take
the lessons to swim more.  The way of teaching was to
dunk my head under the water until I got over my fear
but this just FREAKED me out because in my mind I was
drowning.  This camp also had a lake where they had a
slide.  Being a Christian camp and many Denominations
were present they had separate times for girls and
guys to use the pool.  But the lake on the other hand
was different.  The guys and girls used the slide at
the lake together but had to be fully dressed.  This
is where the knowing how to swim part would have been
nice.  The water was very deep there and no none
swimmers were allowed to use the slide.  I wanted to
so bad but I knew I would have panicked and inhaled a
bunch of water.  I would say that ≤ of the people
verbally enjoyed swimming in there clothes and the
other π didn‚t like the feel of wet clothes.  I did
get wet on a canoe trip because the canoe had a leak
in the bottom and I had to sit on it to keep it from
filling with water.  Now for the part where I was in
the pool fully clothed.  All the supervisors held it a
secret that on the last night at the camp there was
going to be girls against guy‚s water volleyball
tournament.  We were told to were an old pair of pants
and shirt and follow them (no shorts allowed at the
camp).  After we all met at the pool we were all told
to jump in and that we were going to have a water
volleyball tournament.  Most people didn‚t hesitate to
jump in but of course there were a few that cried
about it the whole time.  I don‚t understand what they
didn‚t like about it but I guess that is why God made
us all different.  I of course still didn‚t know how
to swim but since it was in the shallow end I just
walked around and dove for the ball when necessary.
It felt so great to move around the in the water in
wet jeans and t- shirt (can‚t remember what kind but I
never had name brand as a kid).  I also remember one
of the leaders jumping into the pool fully clothed
when I was taking swimming lessons because some other
kids were teasing him.  I know he liked getting wet in
his clothes and that is why he really jumped in.  I
think I remember one of the other kids getting in
trouble for jumping in fully clothed.  I also went
there another year and repeating the experience even
though I still didn‚t know how to swim.  These
experiences let me know that I definitely enjoyed wet
clothes and has also helped me in this group and my
boldness in swimming clothed even when no one else is.
 Christians have lost there standards when it comes to
being in water and I am going to do my part to keep
those standards alive.  It seams to me that people ask
more questions when you are in shorts and a shirt
rather than in Jeans and a shirt.  It‚s like they are
too freaked out to ask.  Now I go to the public pools
and lakes and swim like I am the only one that knows
how to dress.  I also get permission to swim clothed
before going in so as not to set a bad example of a
Christian.  I haven‚t been denied the privilege yet.
You can find advice about this in one of the other
files in this group.  Most hotels won‚t even allow you
to where a white t-shirt but I haven‚t had one not
make an exception and let me swim in my clothes.

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Business Trip #1

This trip happened about 6 months before I started
this group.  I only had 5 nights at the perfect hotel
to swim clothed at.  It had an indoor pool and the
room they gave me had a sliding rear door that exited
about 20ft from the shallow end of the pool.  They had
no way of locking up the pool area but had someone
come around occasionally to check on it.  I found out
this on my first night when my flight was late and it
was about half hour before close.  I was just wadding
around in the deep end (a surprising 9ft) when an
older man came by and told me the pool was closed and
walked off.  I waded around some more until he came
back around and I acted like I was just getting out.
Boy it really felt good to swim in my clothes after a
tiring day.  I think that was my first time actually
swimming fully clothed in a pool.  I had an experience
when I was a kid but was fearful at the same time
because I didn‚t know how to swim.  You will find this
story under (MYFIRSTSWIM.doc) in the files section.
The pool area had several vending machines around it
and was viewable by people eating at the restaurant.
I thought for sure that someone would say something
about me swimming in my clothes while using the
vending machines but all I got was a glance.  My boss
even walked by several times (he never used the pool
though) and never said a word.  There was only two
times out of the 5 days that I had a confrontation.
They are

1. There was a bunch of kids ages 6-12 having a
birthday party there and were in mostly the shallow
end.  I walked out of my room and jumped right into
the deep end in jeans and t-shirt.  I didn‚t get the
attention I expected but did hear a few whispers and
heard the words swimming in his clothes.  After a
while they were called to there room except for the
two oldest who were allowed to play some more.  They
kind of ignored me but saw them glance at me quite a
bit.  I got out and went to the hot tub.  They huddled
in the pool and were whispering in each others ears
and then got out of the pool and into the hot tub with
me.  Boy were they talkative.  What shocked me the
most is that they never asked me why I was wearing my
clothes but just wanted to talk to me.  My boss came
out of his room once and sat by the hot tub and never
said anything about me being clothed.  I only had my
legs in the tub at the time so it was a no brainier
what I was wearing in the hot tub.  My boss didn‚t
stay long and after he left the girl challenged me to
a race.  Being very inexperienced in swimming in
general I of course lost.  But I was having more fun
:>)  They then started doing a variety of jumps and
splashes in the pool and challenged me to do the same.
 What a blast.  They were then called to there room to
eat.  I am surprised the parents let them play with me
and didn‚t label me as some kind of freak.  Just goes
to show you it really isn‚t that big of a deal.  Just
unusual.

2. This was a busy day at the pool.  When I got in no
one was around but it didn‚t take long before a whole
family came by the pool.  Its funny I don‚t recall
anyone saying anything just a bunch of looks.  There
was an older couple who just sat in a chair in there
swimwear.  Makes no sense to me.  The family didn‚t
stay in the pool long and after they got out of the
hot tub I jumped in and after a couple of minutes a
guy and girl came out of there rooms and stepped into
the hot tub.  The lady immediately mentioned that I
was wearing jeans and even grabbed my pants legs and
pulled my leg out of the water to show her male
friend.  I don‚t know if she saw me before or had
really good eyes.  She asked me if it felt good and I
said yes.  Even though it does my main motivation is
biblical modesty but you already know that.  I was not
bold enough at the time to tell them that so that is
as far as it went.  We talked for quiet a while and
then they went into the pool and I joined them for a
minute and went back to my room.  Unfortunately the
other hotel we stayed at did not have a pool.   Please
check out me business trip #2 and check back for other
real life cases in my adventures swimming clothed.
Also check out the Theme Park Regulations file for
water parks that allow swimming clothed due to
Christian convictions.  Thank You!

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Business Trip #2

I went on a 10 day business trip a while back and
after getting permission from the hotel I swam in
jeans and t-shirt in the pool and am going to tell of
my experience here as to hopefully help others to do
the same.

I stayed at a total of 2 hotels.  Both had outdoor
pools and hot tubs.  The first one I stayed at was
advertised as heated but my nervous system screamed at
me that it was not.   The hot tube was ok though.  My
first night was the only night I had a chance to swim
in daylight because it was the day I flew in and the
rest of the time I was busy working.  The pool in this
hotel was fairly inactive which made it easier to do
something that is unusual and sometimes looked down on
and labeled as a freak.  This was the first time in
the pool for 5 months and it took a little while to
get use to the resistance when swimming clothed.
(Also as an adult I have only been swimming for 3
years).  This of course brings up a good point that it
is important to swim regularly clothed in order to
build up your strength so you will not drown if for
some reason you end up clothed in a lake or have to
spontaneously save someone else.  The few seconds you
would spend taking off you clothes could be all the
time they need to drown beneath the surface.  This is
why I would like to get a membership at the local
YMCA.  Unfortunately there pool hours clash with my
busy schedule.  Anyways, after a short while some
maintenance people came by to check the ph and the
pump house.  They looked at me but not necessarily in
an unusual way and didn‚t stair as I expected they
would.  One person even skimmed some leaves off the
pool in the shallow end but stayed away from the deep
end where I was.  But I don‚t recall seeing any leaves
in my end of the pool either.  Walking back to my room
(I had to walk outside across a parking lot) I would
get maybe a glance from someone and if I walked past
someone talking they would just be dead silent as I
walked back to my room.  They must have so many things
going through there head that they become speechless.
There was only two more nights that there was activity
in the pool area at this hotel.  While I was in the
pool one night two guys came down (approx 40 yrs of
age) and got into the hot tub.  I just swam and
splashed around and I could hear them talking and
occasionally would glance over at me.  I wouldn‚t
consider this to abnormal though.  I guess if I was
bolder I would have got out and jumped in several
times to make sure they knew I was clothed.  They got
out and went back to there rooms after about a half an
hour.  I would say that most of the time I would spend
about 2 hours give or take little in the pool or hot
tub.  My last night there I was in the pool and there
was a lot of people and cars in the parking lot near
the pool.  They were foreign and didn‚t speak English
or at least hid it.  Since this pool was not heated I
decided to get into the hot tub.  After only about 5
minutes 3 of the girls from that group came into the
area and got into the hot tub.  They were talking like
mad and I am sure some of it was about me.  After
about 15 minutes about 4 guys showed up and 2 slowly
got into the hot tub.  It made me feel really
uncomfortable with them jibber jabbering and not being
able to understand a word they were saying.  The cool
part is that all they could see was that I was wearing
a t-shirt.  Well it was about 10 minutes until the
pool closed and I wanted to get out before then so I
jumped out of the tub put on my sandals, grabbed my
towel and started walking to my room.  The split
second I climbed out of the tub with my jeans on there
was absolute silence from everyone.  I just walked off
like it was nothing.  Like I said before they must
have so many things going through there head they
become speechless. 

The next hotel I stayed at was a lot nicer and heated
to about body temperature.  Infact I didn‚t even use
the hot tub because the pool was relaxing enough.  One
thing bad about this hotel was that I was on the third
floor and the stairs were only used when the elevator
breaks down or an alarm would sound.  Also the only 2
elevators were right by the front desk and restaurant.
 This made me uncomfortable but since I had permission
from the management I decided to go ahead with the
plan.  This pool was visible from the part of the
restaurant that was outside.  Several times people
would walk over to the gate and look in and then walk
away.  I don‚t know if they noticed me in my clothes
or not.  I later found out that they did not lock the
gate at night and the pool looked as if it was suppose
to be open.  I took advantage of this and swam late at
night for more privacy.  There were only 2 nights
where there was anyone else by the pool.  The best one
was my second night there.  There were about 6 guys
hanging around a table drinking beer when I walked
into the pool area.  They were on the shallow end of
the pool so I went down the ladder on the deep end
(6ft).  It‚s funny that they saw me go in but acted
like they didn‚t even notice.  After about 15-30
minutes they walked past me and went into the hot tub.
 Two of them stayed out and I noticed they were
wearing jeans.  I hope that wasn‚t what was stopping
them.  Well I stayed in the pool for a long time and
they talked amongst themselves like I wasn‚t even
there.  The 2 guys wearing pants left a couple times
to get beer and pizza.  The hot tub was only about
10-15 ft from the pool so they had to of noticed me.
Also they appeared to be friends with the bartender
because he came out and talked with them and even
brought out a bunch of ice for them once.  He walked
right by me going to them and made no indication of
shock.   When I finally stepped out of the pool I
can‚t recall if they were quiet or keeped talking.  I
am assuming they keeped talking or else I would have
remembered.  While going to the elevator I never had
any unusual confrontation from anyone.  I think most
people just try to act like they didn‚t notice because
they don‚t know how else to react.  Its like, I am not
doing anything wrong, it‚s just unusual and no one
really knows why.  What else is a person suppose to
do.  I would have probably acted the same way.
Besides the occasional peak over the gate by people
the only other confrontation was from my last night.
The pool closed at 11pm (even though they didn‚t lock
anything) and I stayed in the pool until about 2pm
when the security guard came and peaked over the gate.
 He didn‚t say anything but just walked off.  About a
∏ to ≤ hour later he came back and slowly walked to
where I was and kindly informed me that hotel
management wanted everyone out of the pool by 11pm.  I
apologized and as he walked off I got out of the pool
and headed back to my room.  He said nothing to me
about me swimming in clothes.  Well I hope you enjoyed
the story and I will post more of my vacation and
business trips.  I will do my best to keep all of them
wet.  I am hopping a few things in my schedule and the
YMCA schedule will change and allow me to swim at the
Y on a regular bases.   Also be sure to check the
„Theme Park Regulations‰  for a listing of water parks
that will allow you to swim clothed because of
Christian beliefs.

Swimclothed

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It is always good to hear people benefit from my
group.  Before going to the YMCA you may want to call
a few hotels up and ask them the question.  This will
get your hopes up and give you some motivation and
encouragment and then when you talk to the YMCA you
can tell them that you havent had any problems with
hotels before you ask them the question.  I think the
only problem you may have is that they may require you
to swim in synthetic materials.  Most YMCA's have
lifeguard classes and water safety classes where they
require people to swim clothed for some time so it
isnt like they have never heared of swimming clothed.
Also let me know how it turns out and then visit the
poll section of my group where you will find a poll
where you can post your results.  Only one person
aswered no but I cant get ahold of him because he has
a bad email address.  If there are any more files you
cant open just email me with the name and I will copy
and past it to an email for you.  The document is sent
out to all new members automatically.  Good luck

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I live in the mideast of the USA.  I have called
numerouse hotels in this area and numerous hotels
around the country (when planning a vacation or
business trip) and have yet to have one say no.  90%
of the time they will say yes without hesitation and
some of the time will hesitate and then say they dont
know why it wouldnt be ok.  I have called 3 YMCA's.
The closest one (15min away) told me she didnt think
it would be a problem but I would have to clear it
with the aquatics director.  So I called back later
and surprisingly she actually seamed happy that I
asked.  She did ask me what I was planning on wearing
and I told her I usually wear jeans and tshirt at the
lake and she said that would be fine she just prefered
I didnt wear sweat pants because they hold to much
water and make a mess.  The other two were out of
state on business trips and they specified synthetic
material.  I have never had a problem with a hotel
being specific on material or saying no.  If you want
you can email me the phone # of a hotel near you that
has a pool and I will call and explain to them my
personal convictions and ask them if it would be ok to
wear a clean pair of pants and shirt in the pool to
keep my body covered in a public establishment.  Also
just for a little history before I discovered this I
would call hotels in the winter when shorts were not
redily available and call hotels and tell them I was
on a trip and forgot to bring my swimtruncks and asked
them if I could swim in a clean pair of pants.  Most
would say yes very hesitently and would clarify that
that was against there policy.  I did keep track of
the ones that said no and also said no to a tshirt (to
keep warm) and called them later after I discovered
this new technique and they ALL said yes without
hesitating when before they said no instantly.  I even
called one back later to talk to a differnet person
and he said yes to.  I hope this covers everything.
Since you seam to really be interested in this I am
going to send you copys of a few other files that are
on my site (in windows format) that tell storys of a
few of my business trips and also there is a directory
of some water parks that I called and the only one
that said no on swimming in jeans and tshirt was Cedar
point who clearly states that you must have shorts
above the knees.  They are by far the strictest.

Swimclothed

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Theme Park Regulations


Here I will have a listing of water parks that have
either answered yes or no to allowing someone to
participate in the park in a pair of pants and shirt
because of ones Christian convictions.  You can find
more information on how I ask this question in
modestygroup.doc in the files section.  If you have
one to add please let me know the details and I shall
add it to this list.  If you have one you would like
for me to check on for you just give me the details
and I shall check for you.  My email is

Generally this is the question that I ask.  „I have a
question about your dress code.  My Christian beliefs
require me to keep my body covered in public
establishments.  Would it be ok to wear a clean pair
of pants and t-shirt while using your water park?  I
do have a pair of JEANS that have a Velcro fly and
drawstring front instead of a button.  Will this
comply with your no buttons, rivets, zippers and
buckles policy?  Thank you for your reply in advance.‰

As you will notice after asking about pants and
t-shirt I mentioned that I have a pair of JEANS (to be
more specific).  If they are ok with this then all you
have to do is take the pair of jeans you want to use
and remove the zipper and button and sew in some
Velcro and string to meet there policy‚s.

I usually email but if they have 1800 # I will call
that.

1. Wet n Wild in Orlando FL.  www.wetnwildfl.com
 I emailed them and asked the question.  The reply was
very good.  He said my jeans with the string and
Velcro sound fine.  But he did mention that they had a
small percentage of body slides that require shorts
and no shirt due to safety.  He was very specific that
it was a very small percentage.  He also said that he
covers as much as he can and still has fun.  I emailed
him again trying to get a better idea of what he wore
and told him that I didn‚t like to stand out and was
wondering what peoples reactions are to this and he
said that they have a few guests that chose to wear
full coverage and that I shouldn‚t stand out that
much.  (I think I would stand out more than he
thinks.)  He did say that the only problem I might
have is with the lifeguards but made it clear that it
was for my own safety.  It looks like to me that if
you have the right clothes you might be able to swim
clothed without being a Christian. 

2.  Kings Island Cincinnati, OH www.pki.com
They had no email so I called them.  The lady that I
talked to said it would be fine and suggested that I
wear sweat pants or track pants because no zippers
etc.  I told her about my jeans with Velcro and how
they don‚t cling and are less revealing than other
pants and she said it would be fine as long as there
were no rivets.  One thing cool about this park is
that the Water Park and dry part of the park come with
the same admission and you don‚t have to change
clothes when going back and forth.  Just think of the
time you would save.  WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

3. Wet N Wild Las Vegas  www.wetnwildlv.com
Emailed them and no reply yet

4. Cedar Point  Sandusky, OH  www.cedarpoint.com    I
emailed them and they have a very strict policy and
are very specific about swimwear only and being above
the knee and no street clothes.   I did not get a
reply to my email so I called them.  On my first call
I was told to call back at a different time because
the people in charge of the water park were not in at
that time.  The person did say that they have seen
people in the water park in jeans and t shirt but
still said I would have to ask the proper people.
After calling again I was told that t shirts would be
allowed but NO pants were allowed.  They said it was a
safety issue and it could snag on some of the slides.
I didn‚t push it any further because in there written
policy it states that shorts must be above the knee.
If you really want to wear pants in there park I would
suggest at the time you go there you ask them if there
are any rides or areas you could still use while
wearing pants.  So far this is the only park that
would not allow pants on the slides.  Cedar point has
the best roller coasters in the world so I am not to
upset.  If anyone has any luck wearing pants there
please let us know. 

5.  www.thebeachwaterpark.com    Cincinnati, OH I
called them and the lady I talked to said they would
have to look at them to make sure it would not cause
of problem with the slides but there may be a few
rides that I couldn‚t go on but it will be up to the
aquatic management at that time.  She said she wanted
me to still be able to have fun but just wanted to
make sure I was safe.  Basically I would be allowed in
but may not be able to use the more aggressive rides.


This just in.  I emailed them before I saw the phone #
and I copyed and pasted there reply. {„In response to
your email question regarding the permissibility of
wearing long pants and shirts on our water rides, our
park does have a required code of attire.  We do not
permit individuals wearing garments with grommets,
buckles, zippers or protruding decorative attachments
to ride our water slides as these attachments will
damage the surface of the slide and may cause injury
to the wearer or future riders.  As a rule,
non-bathing attire is not permitted to be worn into
any of our pool or attractions.  
 
However, we certainly would like for you to have the
opportunity to enjoy our waterpark, and do so while
remaining consistent with your religious beliefs about
public exposure.  It is our recommendation that you
talk with one of our Aquatics Department Managers upon
your arrival at The Beach.  Our Guest Relations office
located in the main park entry plaza will assist you
in contacting a Manager.  The Manager will assess your
garments and advise you as to what participation
restrictions you may have in our facility.  Their
decision will be focused on ensuring your safety when
you ride the slides or swim in the pools in our
facility.  
 
We thank you for your interest in visiting The Beach
and hope this information answers your questions.  We
look forward to entertaining you this summer at The
Beach Waterpark‰}


6. Wyandot lake  (six flags park)  Powell OH
1800-328-9283  Called and left a message.  Didn‚t get
a call back so I called them during business hours.
There policys are similar to cedar points.  They said
they will allow shirts on slides that have tubes but
no body slides and no pants allowed.  Now she was just
reading the policy but if you show up and talked to
the management there they would probably let you in
but may give you some restrictions on some of the
rides.  I am sure it is more insurance related than
anything else.  I would like to get lifeguard
certified so I could let them know that I can handle
swimming clothed.  It would give me a little extra
edge.

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Interesting story.  When I was a kid I sometimes was
home alone but not very often and never knew when they
were going to show up.  I would take clothed baths
similar to yours.  I had a mildew problem to but was
always able to get them dry in time before it got out
of hand.  One time they came home right after a
clothed bath and was wondering why the bathtub was
wet.  I cant remember how it turned out but they never
found out but may have suspected what I was doing. 
Anyways I found the end a bit interesting with you
stating your parents were trying a home business.  I
have been trying several businesses over the years and
just started one Sat that I feal is the best of them
all.  They give you a 100% 6 month money back
guarentee if you do not make at least 2,700 a month
(yes a month) in 6 months time.  Please check out and
have your parents check out my website for more info
and dont be afraid to email me with questions.  The
address is  www.easymoney.4x2.net   Also if your
parents are making money at there business I would be
interested in knowing more about it. I am actually in
4 businesses right now but the one I just gave you is
the best of them all.  My business is already growing.

p.s.  As far as being arrested for playing in a
fountain clothed.  They wouldnt be arresting you for
being clothed but for playing in the fountain, if
there are such laws against that which there probably
are.

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They didnt ask for my name or ask where I am from so I
never told them.  WHen you do ask them I would use the
words "clean SHIRT and PANTS in the pool"  instead of
actaully saying jeans and t shirt.  Let them ask you
what you are planning on wearing or even if they tell
you to wear synthetic material just suggest to them
that you swim at the lake in jeans and t shirt and
feal more comfortable in them because they do not
stick to you as much and are less revealing.  This may
give you a better chance at betting permission.  Also
try to wear lighter colored clothing that are still
not see through.  Alot of pools are picky about dye
leaking out of clothes.  IF you were to go in in dark
jeans and they saw the dye come off they would
probably stop you from doing it any more.  I dont know
your parents well but since they know you like to get
your clothes wet maybe if you explained it to them
that you want to exercise and learn how to swim better
you can convince them to let you take swimming
lessons.  And then tell them that you want to stay
clothed because you feal more comfortable that way
maybe they would help you get permission to swim
clothed at the Y.  Its just a thought though.  Will
call the hotel later and let you know what they say.

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Something to think
about is that some pools do not allow long hair and
may require you to wear a shower cap or something.
Hair is a bigthreat to the filtration system.  Clothes
are not. I have been using a hot tub in the winter for
3 years and always wear clothes in them and never had
any problems controling the ph or abnormal problems
with the filters plugging up.  The filters plug up
with skin, hair and oils but never had abundance of
cotton.  The clothes probably keep the loose skin and
hair from getting in the water. Called the hotel and
the lady that answered the phone said that she would
not have a problem with me swimming in a clean shirt
and pants.  In the past when I called and got
permission I never actually got permission again when
I arived at the hotel.  I just swam in my clothes.  I
never had any problems with them stopping me and if
they would I would just tell them that I called and
what was said.   There was one time before I
discovered this technique I was planning on a trip and
called a hotel and told then that I forgot my
swimtrunks and asked if it would be ok to swim in a
pair of pants.  They said it was ok.  I called again
and to talk to someone else and again they said it was
ok when when I arived I asked again and they repeated
there pool policy to me that they would only allow
swimwear in the pool.  At that time there was a bunch
of kids there for several days for some reason and
alot of them swam in regular short with underwear on
so I swam in a pair of jean shorts with no problem.
The security gueard came around once to lock up and
when I got out he didnt say a thing.  For some reason
I never thought of using my religious convictions as a
reason to swim clothed but it works.  I am still
trying to think of a good (sure fire) way for non
religious people to swim clothed so we can all enjoy
it.

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In kings island the rides and water park are included
together so you can go to the water park and then ride
some rides to dry off and jump back and forth without
changing.  And yes they would allow the wave pool but
some rides may be restricted.  I am assuming that they
are afraid of them getting caught on something or
maybe your shirt puled over your head and you
panecking.   It is new to me that water parks would
allow this.  It seams to be a sure fire way to swim
clothed.  I am thinking of going to orlando fl this
winter for a week or two and go the the wet and wild
there.  If you read what I said about them the person
I emailed said he keeps his body clothed while using
the park also.  Really cool.

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I found the
official YMCA moto.  IT is  "To put Christian
principales into practice through programs that build
health spirit mind and body for all people in our
community"  Modesty in dress would be considered a
Chrisitan pricipal according to there moto they
couldnt refuse you to wear clothes in the pool.  They
could refuse a certain material though.  Dont know how
to force them to let you wear jeans except for telling
them that you feal more comfortable in jeans because
they dont cling to you and or less reveling.  THere is
not much more I can do.  You will have alot of people
ask you questions if you decide to swim clothed there
so talking to them would only help you in talking to
others.

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I wouldnt think it owuld be necessary to mention aobut
the netherlands but if push comes to shove you could
try showing them the pictures.  The fact that it is a
different country with different customes may be more
of a disadvantage than anything.  I wouldnt suggest it
is a different country unles they ask.  Usually if
they have water safety courses they let people swim in
clothes at least once so they know how much harder it
is to swim clothed.  I think you mentioned before that
you are not a good swimmer so taking lessons would be
a good idea.  At least there shoulc be less people in
the pool and locker room so you will be more
comfortable swimming clothed in public.  I learned how
to swim just a few years ago and was only 1 other
person in our (winter) adult class.  The instructor
told me that if I felt more comfortable I could wear a
tshirt.  It blew me away that she said that.  But I
was to shy to do it because no one else did.  I
probably could have swam in jeans if I would have
asked. (or acidentaly forgot my siwm trunks which I
thought about doing but chickened out)  I have changed
alot since then.  I am a very shy person that does not
like attention.  Sorry I kind of got off the subject.
I would wirte down there moto that I sent you on a
previous email and bring that to there attention.  I
cant see how they could refuse you to swim clothed
after that.  You may want to think about what you will
wear if they want you to wear synthetic materials.
Swimming in that is better than nothing.  Good luck.

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I Am Going To Ask The YMCA In Chillicothe

Make sure you explain your convictions first and then
ask them about swimming clothed.  When they say yes
ask them about taking lessons to become a better
swimmer.  They probably allow lifeguard trainees to
swim in clothes at least once so I dont see why they
would make a big deal about it.  Let me know h ow it
turns out.  You can do it I know you can :>)

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If you handle
it correctly I dont see why there would be a problem
swimmin clothed.  I would highly suggest bringing
extra clothes.  I am sure you dont want to soak the
interior of someones vehicle with pool water and I
dont think they will want you walking through the Y
with wet clothes on.  Also they will probably frown on
you wearing the same clothes in the pool that you
walked in with so plan on bringing in the clothes you
will swim in and change into them before going into
the pool. (it will look cleaner)  I think it is a
federal law that you must shower before going into the
pool.  Dont know how well they enforce it.  When I was
a kid we went on vacation to Chillicothe to see a
outdoor drama called Tucumsa. (about an indian)  Are
they still haveing that.  I was young at the time but
really enjoyed it.

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When I took swimming lessons at the Y since I didnt
have a membership I was allowed to swim there once a
week and when I did the pool was always busy and were
mostly kids that wasnt fully mature (physically)yet.
I dont like to see naked men either and anyone that
does just isnt right.  In all actuallity it is totally
unnecessary to shower naked in front of others.  Here
is what I did in swimming and scuba lessons.  I would
wear a really long shirt that would go past my
midsection so when I took off my underwear and stuff I
would still be covered unless I bent over really far
or sat down.  I would then put on my swimwear, take
off my shirt and then shower.  WHen coming out of the
pool I would shower in my swimwear and then dry my top
area first and put my long shirt on, take off my
shorts, dry off some more, install underwear and
pants.  Everyone else would shower in there trunks
also but then strip naked, dry off and cloth
themselves.  Some seamed to take along time before
dressing themselves like they enjoyed being naked in
front of other men.  Thats deffinately not me.  No
body ever gave me a hard time for doing this and I
also did not look at anyone else when showering.  I
got in and out.  I know that some people (like in
school) showered in there underwear and was made fun
of but as long as they are not staring at everyone
else I dont see why anyone would care.  Hey with all
of the homosexuals out there now days it is best to
cover yourself up to keep them from being tempted any
more than neccessary.  The environment I was in with
all the young kids in the locker room would be a
perfect environment for a pervert.  They would just
love to be naked in front of all of those boys, and
show off there matured body and look at them and have
them look at you but someone who is not a pervert I
would think they would want to cover themselves and do
your job and get out so I say wanting to cover
yourself even around the same sex is perfectly normal
for a sain human being.  What I would do is eather
shower in your underwear or shower in a pair of swim
trunks and then put your clothes over that unless the
Y wants you to shower fully clothed but I would think
that would make it harder to get your body cleaned
unless maybe they want you to shower both ways.  That
would be them to decide.  Just make sure your hair is
wet.

  I seriously went to the Y this winter and almost
signed up.  When I looked at the pool schedule It
sayed that the swim time that I could make it to was
right after swim practice for a school and I really
felt uncomfortable being around all of the nakedness
in the mens locker room so I chickened out even though
they gave me permission to swim clothed.  The perfect
time to swim there would be in the morning during lap
swim where there are only a few older people there
instead of a bunch of kids splashing around in the
water but I cant make it during that time.  Maybe if
this home business takes off that I signed into last
week I can make enough money to go full time and swim
at the Y.  Hope this answered your question.

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Some Questions:

Question 1: What do you mean by synthetic clothes?

Question 2: If I told them my convictions and also showed them the pictures
of the 30 kids do you think that they will let me wade in a sweatshirt,
jacket, or a long sleeved shirt?

Question 3: If I call the hotel and they say yes, should I actually go down
there and wade in thier pool first?

Question 4: Do you think that they will let me take swimmig lessons wearing
clothes?

Question 5: What work do you do?

Question 7: What business do you own?

Question 8: If I can learn to swim in clothes will I have to explain my
convictions or show them the picturs each time?  Or will they just know who
I am and what convictions I have and let me do it without question?

Question 9: Do you think I can convince them into setting up a class for
kidss and adults and let them learn to swim in clothes?  This would require
that I show them the pictures to do this...

Qustion 10: You said you live in the Mideast of the USA where are you
exactly, I mean what state do you live in?  I may want to visit you
sometime.

Question 11: Do I have call the Y first or hotel first?  Or should I just go
there in person and tell them my convictions and/or show them the pictures
and then ask them if I could take their private lessons and learn to swim
wearing clothes?

Question 12: Will I have to shower in the clothes that I brought with me to
wear in the pool before I get in?

1.  synthetic would be polyester or nylon which is
what swimwear is made out of.  Something like track
pants that basketball players wear over there
synthetic shorts before a game.  Diver shirts and
pants are made out of that and elastic so they will
fit tight.  They dont feal as good as cotton in my
opinion but some people like thme especially in europe
it is really popular.

2.  Dont know.  they would probably frown on it if you
did it all the time because it will weight you down
more but if you ask during your swim lessons they
would probably let you do it just so you will know how
much harder it is to swim that way. 

3.  The hotel may only allow guests in there pool and
not have any kind of a membership so you would have to
ask them first.  you will probably have to pay for a
room to do that.  Most hotel pools are not as big as
the Y so I would go there first.

4.  I dont see how they can stop you from covering
your body in a public establishment if you are
convicted about it.  its part of there moto to uphold
to Christian principles.  Modesty is a Christian
principle

5.  Truck Mechanic

6.  Did not find a question 6

7.  I thought I gave you a link to my website but here
it is  http://www.myturnkeypc.com/jaewing   I just
signed up last week and the business is only 2 months
old and is growing fast.  There is another one that I
signed up in today that is less of an investment and
looks very promising.  There is only an initial 16.50
investment and they market the business for you.  the
link is  http://www.123dango.com/index.php?uid=814

I thought I emailed you the first one before but I may
not have.  I didnt get a link from you on the business
you are in.  You can forward it to me if you want and
I will check it out.  I have tried several and have
lost much money and have learned from my mistakes.

8.  Once the lifeguards know who you are you wont have
to unless  a new one showes up unless they told them
about you.

9.  I would just worry about getting permission to
swim clothed first and worry about the rest later.
They probably wouldtn want a bunch of people swimming
clothed so they probably wouldnt allow it so dont
mention it until long after you have permission so
they can see that no harm is really dont when swimming
clothed.  The more improvement you make swimming
clothed the more likely they are to see a benenfit
from swimming clothed so make sure you make a good
impression.

10.  I am very reluctant to give out much personal
information but I live in Indiana but please dont let
anyone know.  I have heared about some crazy things
happening over the internet.

11.  Theyve already been called but if you want to
call them personally you may but if you do you will
still have to talk to them when you show up so they
know it is you so you might be better off to talk to
them when you get there.  It may not be a bad idea to
call to be sure the aquatics directro is there because
he will be the one to make the final decision and if
he is not there you amy have to return later to talk
to him.

12.  I touched on that question on the last email.

Hope this helps.  Just take it one step at a time and
try not to be nervous.  I know it is hard.  I got
through it every time I swim at a hotel but get over
it soon.  Others really dont make a big deal out of
it.  They are probably more concerned about what you
think of them than what they think about you.  I think
most people dont like swimmign half naked and probably
wonder what it would be like to swim clothed.

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Forgot to tell you in last email that my swim lessons
were only $25 for 6 sessions (weeks) and allowed me to
go once a week to practice.  I am assuming your prices
are for private lessons.  Mine were not private but
luckily only had one other person in pool.  The winter
class is small.  I wanted to take it last year clothed
but it falls during the same time as Church.  I had to
keep my priorities straight.  Maybe the schedule will
change this winter?

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I know it is
either a state or federal law that you must shower
before entering the pool.  Even if you shower and swim
in the clothes you swam in you couldnt go home soaking
wet in clorin water.  You would freeze to death in a
couple minutes in the winter time and soak the
interior of the transportation vehicle so you are
going to have to change clothes.  I dont know how the
locker rooms are set up but maybe you can go to one of
the bathroom stalls and dry off and change into dry
clothes.  You will have to talk to them about how they
want you to shower.  Its totally up to them.  I know
some require people with long hair to wear a hair net
but that is up to them also. 

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YOur probably right on the hair net thing.  I remember
seeing that posted on some hotel pools but never seen
it enforced.  If they ask you to do something like
that I wouldtn put up to much resistance.  Letting you
swim clothed would be a big enough step for them to
make.  I just wouldnt want you to do anything that
would make them change there mind.  Remember since you
are using your religious convictions to swim clothed
that you must also conduct yourself in a Christian
manner or they may not beleive you.  Since you have
been to the  Chillocothe Y do you remember if they had
bathroom stalls in the locker room.  Maybe you cna
change in there.

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I used the shirt to cover my most private area but I
personally dont have a problem with exposing my upper
body in front of the same sex.  There is not much
around that unless you can change in a stall which the
Y in my area does not have one unless I go to the
lounge area.  I just used the long shirt to cover my
private area if you know what I mean.  I wish more
would do the same because no one in there right mind
would want to see another naked man.  That to me is
harder that swimming in front of others clothed.  So
did you talk to your mom about getting transpertation
to the Y or are you taking the bus.

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I have a hot tub and go in clothed all the time.  The
filter gets plugged with hair and skin and oils from
your body but I never saw any build up of cotton and I
wear the same clothes in it all the time and the
clothes are not dissapearing on me or anything and it
is only a 200 gal hot tub.  If it wont hurt that it
wont hurt a pool.  Something else I thought of was
that flannel shirts are more prone to leak out dye
than other shirts so you may want to try to wear
something other than flannel.  I would just hate to
see them change there mind if dye starts to come out
of your clothes.  It would just confirm there fears
about hurting the pool.  If they let you take lessons
clothed they should let you swim clothed during other
swimming times.

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But in this country they consider dye a contaminant to
water and if they see it they may freak out and change
there mind.  I just dont want you to take any chances.
 Flannel is made of cotton.  ITs jsut the way it is
woven or something.  The shirt you wore in the lake
white project looked like flannel to me and for some
reason they dont hold ther color very well.  I have to
be very careful when washing the clothes because of
that.  I turned everything blue once.  Sometimes you
have to learn the hard way.